Hey, what do I know?
Not a lot. I'm not a scientist. But I can read. I can see the world. I can think for myself.
I previously accepted at face value the theory of molecules-to-man evolution.
In my transition from agnostic to Christian, I looked at both sides of the issue for several years, objectively and with skepticism of both sides. I saw there was sufficient room for doubt in evolutionary theory to allow the possibility of a creator God.
Discovering our origins, however, is a personal journey.
You need to discover the truth for yourself.
To me, the whole creation vs. evolution debate is secondary or subsidiary to the overarching issue of theism vs. atheism. Does God exist or not? That is the question you need to ask and answer for yourself.
If you come from atheism/agnosticism to accept the existence of the God of the Bible (i.e. theism as distinct from deism) then you will look at the issue differently. You'll ask different questions, such as: "ok, so God created us; how? when? why?" and "why did God make it so difficult scientifically to believe in a recent creation?"
You won't need to be immersed in the quagmire of the scientific "debate".
You can simply go to the Bible and have God reveal the truth to you.
You might look at the evolutionary science and see enough room to fit in God. Many have come to know God from this starting point. You won't have all the answers, but you won't need all the answers. You can keep an open mind, keep searching, but once you know God exists, it's a matter of how, when, why etc... not if.
If you don’t accept a literal, recent Biblical creation of life on earth, and a literal Adam & Eve, then I believe you will have a major problem harmonizing Bible doctrines and fitting all the pieces together.
I believe that the Genesis issue is foundational to how we view the Gospel and thus our relationship with God.
We can, of course, be in a saving relationship with Jesus without taking a stand on this issue, however I believe the true picture of God’s character is obscured by the acceptance of any variant of atoms-to-Adam, mud-to-me evolution.
William Provine, an evolutionist, put it more strongly.
He said that "belief in modern evolution makes atheists of people" and "one can have a religious view that is compatible with evolution only if the religious view is indistinguishable from atheism."
However he also said that to embrace Christian humanism you must "suspend your rational mind".
I'll leave it to you to decide if he is right on both points, one point only or neither point.
(One thing I can say with certainty is that if you don't accept, as a minimum, a literal 6-day creation of all life on earth around 6,00 years ago then you would struggle to be a convicted and committed member of God's remnant Seventh-day Adventist church. You would, of course, be most welcome to attend however if you are sincere in your Christian walk then you would be in a continual state of spiritual tension and discomfort as a professed SDA).
Most scientists appear to accept evolution as fact and present it as fact.
The fact is, molecules-to-man evolution (Darwinian, neo-Darwinian etc.) has not been proven to be fact.
Neither has Biblical creation proven to be fact.
The biggest problems for me as a creationist include:
- the consistency of the newer-to-older dating results of the rocks as you go down the geologic column.
- the consistency of big numbers from radiometric dating methods.
- the sorting of fossils from "simple" to more complex as you rise through the column.
See the creationist websites below for possible explanations.
These problems don't affect my "faith". I can't "un-know" what I know. Both sides have unanswered questions or "problems".
Here are some links you might find useful:
pro Atheistic Evolution
pro Biblical Creation
Somewhere in the middle (I think)
"HUMANS and other vertebrates evolved from a tiny sea creature resembling an eel, British and Canadian experts have confirmed.
Researchers from the University of Cambridge and the University of Toronto said today that the extinct 505 million-year-old Pikaia gracilens is the most primitive known vertebrate - making it the oldest ancestor of humans.
Co-author, Jean-Bernard Caron, said, "It’s very humbling to know that swans, snakes, bears, zebras and, incredibly, humans all share a deep history with this tiny creature no longer than my thumb."
two-inch-long, worm-like sea creature is the earliest-known animal to
have the beginnings of a backbone, Cambridge University scientists have
This makes Pikaia gracilens, which evolved more than 500 million years ago, a precursor of modern vertebrates, including humans.
Human beings, as well as fish, amphibians, birds, reptiles and mammals are all descended from this two-inch creature - Pikaia gracilens which lived in the sea 505 million years ago."
"HUMANS and gorillas last shared a common ancestor 10 million years ago, according to an analysis of the first full sequence of the gorilla genome. The gorilla is the last of the living great apes - humans, chimpanzees, gorillas and orang-utans - to have its complete genetic code catalogued."
So, your great, great, great, ....totally great grandmother or grandfather (?) was a tiny sea creature resembling an eel...or a worm.
And you are one of the living great apes, related by ancestry to your distant cousins the chimpanzees, gorillas and orang-utans, along with swans, snakes,......
I know that I am not descended from a worm, and I know that I am not related to a gorilla.
How about you?
"In a remarkably rapid display of evolution at work,..."
actually Natural selection at work.
They’re still 100% cockroaches, aren’t they?
Yes, a creationist cliche, however...aren’t they?
A classic example of the fact of natural selection being used to support the fancy of atoms to Adam evolution.
Jaw-inspiring: Ancient fish was pivotal in evolution of face, researchers find
"When you look at Romundina, it's like looking at yourself in the mirror, but with a 415 million-year-old image.It's like in a science-fiction movie. You look at the mirror, but it's not you. It's your ancestor." Vincent Dupret of Uppsala.
"The face is one of the most important and emotionally significant parts of our anatomy, so it is interesting to understand how it came into being"
Per Ahlberg, an expert in vertebrate evolution at Uppsala University in Sweden
World's oldest sperm found in Australian fossil
The world's oldest and best preserved sperm has been discovered in 17 million-year-old fossils unearthed in far north Queensland.
(Read the full article to get the full picture).